tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post1467257336814891413..comments2024-03-28T08:03:32.297-07:00Comments on Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters: Marriage Equality - Simple answers to NOM's complicated liesBlackTsunamihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02349560427762283170noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-67900698634179757132012-05-16T17:02:38.966-07:002012-05-16T17:02:38.966-07:00I for one am sick of hearing NOM and their ilk use...I for one am sick of hearing NOM and their ilk use children as an argument to disguise outright hate and fear. My husband and I are a hetero couple who for our own non-medical and personal reasons have decided not to have children and by NOM's argument that makes my marriage invalid, which I find extremely offensive. But we're man and woman...so it isn't valid by their definition too...?? Of course when I trolled NOM's FB page and posed the question of my own marriage's validity, their illogical less-than-capable-of-reasoning fans told me the question was "childish". Once again proving that an intelligent and reasonable debate with these people is a physically impossibility since there is no reason or logic behind their arguments, only fear and hate. I saw a quote on FB the other day: "Having a debate with a religious regressionist is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon craps all over the board, knocks down the pieces and then flies off to tell its friends that it won the game". Too true.doggygirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01551196318918970396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-23080968643099803532011-12-20T13:22:30.599-08:002011-12-20T13:22:30.599-08:00Good to see that the NOMsense is being tackled hea...Good to see that the NOMsense is being tackled head on. Because if these unbalanced and dangerous fanatics are allowed to get away with targeting one group with a lie-based campaign of smears and hate, who knows where they will aim their scatter-gun of bigotry next?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-90484410460584047392011-06-06T20:46:35.370-07:002011-06-06T20:46:35.370-07:00Love the talking points, but I feel one more shoul...Love the talking points, but I feel one more should be added. In Amendment XIV, Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States, it states: <br />"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."<br /><br />The one part I want to emphasize is <b>"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of the citizens of the United States"</b> This to me means that no state can abridge the right to marry to exclude same-sex couples.<br /><br />Furthermore, Amendment IX of the bill of rights states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."<br />While Amendment IX is highly debated, it does state that the listing of the rights allotted (enumeration) does not deny other rights.<br /><br />While NOM argues beliefs and arguments based in religion, they cannot deny the law as agreed upon by the people and elected officials.Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-63343210435601028802011-06-03T14:58:13.920-07:002011-06-03T14:58:13.920-07:00I feel I must say something about the LGBT communi...I feel I must say something about the LGBT community and their taking care of their own as well as their adopted children. There is not a monopoly on heterosexuals giving children a good upbringing. In spite of what they claim. I'm from a broken home and my father was not around at any time hardly, during my childhood. My mother became severely depressed due to my half-brother's head injuries that left him convulsing and with the mind of a four year old. My mom ended up in the state hospital in their psyche ward. My sister and I initially went to a Pentacostal orphanage that was nothing more than a Christianity indoctrination center with a "hypocrits and inmates running the asylum" kinda thing. We had chapel at 9 AM everyday, nightly devotions each for an hour or more. Just a lot of study on how to save souls for Jesus. That was from the age of 8-10, a full two years. So, I left there going to a Methodist orphanage, but not a lot of religious indoctrination there, I felt they cared as much as they could, but i still felt most of the time during my 10 years of institutionalization, unloved and uncared for except for food and a bed, and public school education. I would have gladly accepted being adopted by a loving and supportive couple, gay or otherwise. The prevailing theme back then regarding gay people was derogatory and an issue of making fun of gay people. One of my first experiences with a gay person was a guy in a red Mustang driving around the block whistling at me and wanting to have sex with me. I am not gay, nor have I ever been with a gay person sexually. But this whole thing about villifying gay people just did not stick to me, I didn't believe gay people were pariahs or any such crap as that, as I was told. I was one of the few in my high school who was friends with some of the rumored gay people, but I liked them for who they were not because I was like them as I was accused of being. The racial bias I was taught never stuck either, I was frequently called an N-word lover. I know for a fact that I have known gay people that were very caring, loving and exceptionally good people, on the other hand I have known many more so called Xians NOM type people who were and are the biggest a**holes on the planet. <br />Just though I'd add my two cents worth. NOM is criminal.nash984954https://www.blogger.com/profile/06326427178626206143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-56751955715119587462011-06-03T11:52:07.674-07:002011-06-03T11:52:07.674-07:00Thank you, Mr. Hooper and Mr. McEwen, for these ex...Thank you, Mr. Hooper and Mr. McEwen, for these excellent rebuttals to NOM's mind-boggling claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-14919252049401368462011-06-01T04:37:43.683-07:002011-06-01T04:37:43.683-07:00The biggest lie: "There is no constitutional...The biggest lie: "There is no constitutional right to same-sex marriage."<br /><br />The Constitution protects INDIVIDUAL rights. The fundamental constitutional right is the right 'to marry', not the right 'to marriage'. A person is born with the right to marry. Sometime later, that person decides to marry, chooses the partner they want to marry, and that partner chooses them. Their marriage creates a family, which, in the traditional model does not yet include children. The interest of the state in civil marriage is essentially an interest in protecting and supporting families. Some protections affect the couple (survivor rights, inheritance rights, various public and private spousal benefits) and many more support their children. The fundamental right to marry provides LGBT couples and their families with access to the protection and support that the state provides, through civil marriage, to families. To deny marriage to LGBT couples denies their children that support and protection. Children do not choose their parents, and the children of LGBT couples are being penalized because of who their parents are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-17408158977656947082011-06-01T00:21:43.985-07:002011-06-01T00:21:43.985-07:00Interesting how NOM tries at least twice to artifi...Interesting how NOM tries at least twice to artificially insert race into the discussion with their conflation "bigots and racists".Donny D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-38154519098542882872011-05-31T19:56:56.305-07:002011-05-31T19:56:56.305-07:00Thank you for that my friend.Thank you for that my friend.BlackTsunamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349560427762283170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-33220171468827605472011-05-31T19:22:18.759-07:002011-05-31T19:22:18.759-07:00http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/hoq7o/...http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/hoq7o/holy_bullies_and_headless_monsters_marriage/<br /><br />http://digg.com/news/politics/marriage_equality_simple_answers_to_nom_s_complicated_lies<br /><br />Great job! Read it, share it, make it viral.Queer johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11424194000225515228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-12041332469410780232011-05-31T15:47:34.673-07:002011-05-31T15:47:34.673-07:00Actually this is one of the times where the choir ...Actually this is one of the times where the choir does need preaching to. We have been allowing the other side to run the argument and surrendered several points (especially about children in same-sex households) to them.<br /><br />The talking points are a way for us to freshen up our argument as well as to serve as guide which we can use on so many levels. Also, the talking points have been linked to other areas that are not necessarily lgbt-run. This is good for our allies.BlackTsunamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349560427762283170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-45804882561296791672011-05-31T15:24:45.368-07:002011-05-31T15:24:45.368-07:00This is all wonderful, the points are right on tar...This is all wonderful, the points are right on target but your preaching to the chore.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04710061140738976513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-40782072068909381172011-05-31T11:24:58.626-07:002011-05-31T11:24:58.626-07:00Utterly blown away by your point-by-point refutati...Utterly blown away by your point-by-point refutation of NOM's lies.Todd Eliothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485262972464151598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-18282459906451500062011-05-31T08:39:45.459-07:002011-05-31T08:39:45.459-07:00Adding to your comments about Maine, in the refere...Adding to your comments about Maine, in the referendum, the ballot question was hopelessly unclear: "Do you want to reject the new law that lets same-sex couples marry and allows individuals and religious groups to refuse to perform these marriages?" (from http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Maine_Same-Sex_Marriage_People%27s_Veto,_Question_1_%282009%29) This meant many voters who would have voted "no" (the vote IN FAVOR of equality) were coerced, by political-rhetorical manipulation, to in fact vote "yes" (AGAINST equality).Audreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00698428403474177216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-22041795455691131552011-05-31T06:21:05.888-07:002011-05-31T06:21:05.888-07:00Thank you for focusing on the issue of how this is...Thank you for focusing on the issue of how this issue hurts children. A lot of people don't like us but don't want to hurt children. The other side has co-opted the children argument. The fact is, children exist in GLBT headed families. Thousands of them. They need the stability and security that civil marriage brings to their family. I think we should be making a bigger deal out of this and should be pointing out the specifics of how children are hurt.Stevenoreply@blogger.com