tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post3502675108178415716..comments2024-03-28T08:03:32.297-07:00Comments on Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters: New lie lodged against Kevin Jennings - he 'advocates' murderBlackTsunamihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02349560427762283170noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-39702729090701678912009-10-13T10:56:25.701-07:002009-10-13T10:56:25.701-07:00checked out FP - what a surprise to find it's ...checked out FP - what a surprise to find it's a total wingnut site with all the obligatory delusional ravings. fantasyland for bullying chickenhawks, condoning violence by appearing to abhor violence.anthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319067958674888328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-1681049801823578782009-10-12T22:27:40.261-07:002009-10-12T22:27:40.261-07:00Black Tsunami,
Just to echo what Morgen said, you...Black Tsunami,<br /><br />Just to echo what Morgen said, you're right that some blogs missed the point. Once we caught on to the error, we did try out best to address the confusion. <br /><br />First we changed the headline of our post which apparently threw some people (with a note retaining the original because we don't "disappear things at VS"). Next, I personally followed backlinks to several blogs and left comments pointing out where necessary that they had misconstrued our meaning and asking for corrections. <br /><br />We may not have spoken to everyone but our efforts did have an effect. One blogger apologized to me privately this afternoon and corrected a post. A second blogger wrote an entire apology on his own site to both us and Jennings for his misunderstanding. You can see it <a href="http://www.americasright.com/2009/10/big-apology-owed.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a><br /><br />My point is that this was not a smear or a lie. We were making a serious critique that we believed (and still do) was valid. When that accidentally got muddled beyond our blog, we did our best to correct it. We'll continue to do so. If you see it pop up anywhere, please let us know or direct them to this comment thread or to our site for clarification.JohnVShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07653588183606118136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-27471120023961670492009-10-12T20:41:25.164-07:002009-10-12T20:41:25.164-07:00And you were right to call them on it - they'v...And you were right to call them on it - they've gone way overboard with this claim. We have been doing the same. I'm actually a little miffed that they missed my point!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07415038814351707184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-9152193622264634932009-10-12T20:13:29.433-07:002009-10-12T20:13:29.433-07:00The main point of my post was that some bloggers w...The main point of my post was that some bloggers were using part of what you said to make a false claim that Jennings advocate murder.<br /><br />Now, it's clear what Jennings said speaks to an unfortunate ultra alpha male view of manhood, i.e. men are not supposed to cry or show weakness. His point was that some overcompensate to this view by acting extreme in situations where their "manhood" is supposedly questioned. He places a bit of the blame on society this need to overcompensate.BlackTsunamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349560427762283170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-75092501616791826362009-10-12T19:48:15.539-07:002009-10-12T19:48:15.539-07:00When Jennings says "we need to own up to the ...When Jennings says "we need to own up to the fact that our culture teaches boys that being 'a man' is the most important thing in life..." it seems pretty clear that he is referring to the traditional view of gender roles broadly. And thus manhood.<br /><br />Jennings - and apparently you - may view this as an "inaccurate" view of manhood. But this is not the way a majority of the American people view it.<br /><br />And for Jennings to malign so broadly all of us who believe that it is important to teach our boys to "be men"...by suggesting that this automatically means we are telling them to not be "faggots"...can only be defined as intolerance on his part for our values.<br /><br />And to draw a link between the teaching of traditional gender roles (and nursery rhymes!) to this sort of violence based on a few isolated cases, is just ridiculous. It's a prime example of the lack of intellectual rigor underlying most of Jennings opinions.<br /><br />Morgen-Verum SerumAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07415038814351707184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-71019269090759269522009-10-12T18:05:39.434-07:002009-10-12T18:05:39.434-07:00And if I may point something else out, from the li...And if I may point something else out, from the link you provided (and I refer to the link you provided) it is obvious that Jennings is not identifying "manhood" as a culprit of school violence but gender stereotypes as well as inaccurate ideas of manhood.BlackTsunamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349560427762283170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-52036010633640929392009-10-12T18:01:42.781-07:002009-10-12T18:01:42.781-07:00I checked your site and I checked other sites, inc...I checked your site and I checked other sites, including Free Republic. And all of those other sites are pushing the lie that Jennings advocated murder.<br /><br />Your argument is not with me, but with them. You need to get them to clarify their claims.BlackTsunamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349560427762283170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-20605691302894745452009-10-12T16:58:10.542-07:002009-10-12T16:58:10.542-07:00Gateway Pundit got this from my blog. If you'd...Gateway Pundit got this from my blog. If you'd bothered to check out our site, you'll see that we used the quote in context and provided a link to the full document. GP provided a link to us, I'm not sure how you missed it.<br /><br />The issue is not that Jennings is condoning murder, he clearly is not. The issue is that he's drawn a straight line between manhood and murder, even going so far as to say the violence isn't aberrant but should be expected.<br /><br />The fact that the safe schools czar has identified "manhood" as the chief culprit in school violence is news. <br /><br />http://www.verumserum.com/?p=9140JohnVShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07653588183606118136noreply@blogger.com