tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post4804687004343040107..comments2024-03-27T17:40:18.022-07:00Comments on Holy Bullies and Headless Monsters: Waffle House beat down underscores potential problem with lgbt communityBlackTsunamihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02349560427762283170noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-67764416009291343762012-10-19T17:05:00.568-07:002012-10-19T17:05:00.568-07:00This is my first comment, but i love your blog. A...This is my first comment, but i love your blog. As far as the video clip goes, I confess, as someone who's been bashed I felt good seeing this. I don't believe in violence, but I know exactly what the group were feeling. It gets tiresome being on the high ground all the time.Oberonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02291062986764220311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-23345519604529176572012-10-18T17:03:49.159-07:002012-10-18T17:03:49.159-07:00first off, I think calling it a beatdown is an exa...first off, I think calling it a beatdown is an exaggeration. all they did was slap him a few times and he, the the coward that most bullies are, literally cowered on the floor so to the casual observer it might have seemed that they beat him to the floor.<br /><br />I would actually call it a fair fight. why? because there were only 4 black "fags" and he has most of society at his back. and if you want to be more racially aware, he has *a lot* of the black church behind him as well.<br /><br />This is EXACTLY what happened at Stonewall. The cops went to the fag bar for their nightly "abuse the fags" outing and for some reason the BLACK AND PUERTO RICAN drag queens said FUCK NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.<br /><br />Fighting back is the only thing those people understand. If he was a white guy and use the N world and was that outnumbered you'd be saying he got what he asked for. and you'd be right.Rusty McMannhttp://www.rustymcmann.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-43131239207895329202012-10-18T16:42:50.779-07:002012-10-18T16:42:50.779-07:00I'm with you on the third option -- still, I a...I'm with you on the third option -- still, I also point out that there are in fact three other aspects for Rights for Gays (gay rights, sounds so "special," rather than American Rights for Gays; alas such is the language of our times):<br /><br />One fight is legal -- DOMA, Bowers, Lawrence, bar raids, etc etc -- over the past oh, 60 to 100 years. This is our interaction with the government, at all levels. The laws were mostly ignored, but used when wanted. <br /><br />One is personal -- our family, friends, bosses, co-workers, neighbors -- it is not as affected as laws. No one who liked us needed a law to do so. Nor will anyone like us because a law says we can't be bothered anymore. <br /><br />A third is the medical/religious aspect. For science, and those who misuse it (mostly religious folks,) also deals with gayness -- and the law or personal attitudes of the first two elements don't necessarily impact this third one; but this one impacts the other two more. <br /><br />These three elements above have not moved in lock step with each other -- <br />For many heteros, personal acceptance of gay folks preceded the law. Much science has swayed some religions. Some religions turn to a combo of science-morality to continue the berating. <br /><br />And then you add the things of culture, race, economics, political views (i.e. left v. right,) that your brought up -- and well, it all does get confusing. <br /><br />I sort of liken it to a Bingo Card -- but the best thing is that we are slowly filling up the card so that one day we can indeed yell "Bingo" and stop all this discussion over something that is sort of irrelevant to everyone and everything: whom one smooches. Jim Hlavachttp://www.thedailymush.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-85687061665160813922012-10-18T16:29:37.140-07:002012-10-18T16:29:37.140-07:00Frankly, I understand this reaction and I don'...Frankly, I understand this reaction and I don't condemn it at all. We have been verbally abused, harassed, beaten and murdered for MUCH TOO LONG. When people start belieiving they will get a beat down instead of giving one, they may begin to leave us the hell alone.mykelbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11216417005749982923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-60842578310957169192012-10-18T16:27:59.968-07:002012-10-18T16:27:59.968-07:00Wow! Part of me wanted to cheer them on and I am a...Wow! Part of me wanted to cheer them on and I am ashamed.<br />Part of me is amazed because you don't see that everyday and I am ashamed.<br />Part of me thinks the whole thing is wrong and they should have just walked away...under the weight of shame forced on them.<br /><br />Part of me sees a strong parallel with the early civil rights movement.<br />At first the people gathered and prayed and did not fight back even when they were dodging bricks.<br />Over time a few fought back because they were tired of being passive and getting nowhere.<br />It got worse from there and many people on both sides died.<br />The gay population has been passive in light of the cronic danger we face. Some feel it is time to fight back instead of turning the other cheek...again.<br />Not long ago we saw a disturbed soul walk into an anti-gay org. and shoot a guard. Now this.<br />I can't blame them for the feelings they have. I do blame them for the fighting even though I understand why.<br />The whole thing is one big damn shame.BJ Jackson Lincolnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047127771068969215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-74507654239480856102012-10-18T16:23:19.701-07:002012-10-18T16:23:19.701-07:00Very well put! And that's coming from a 41 yea...Very well put! And that's coming from a 41 year old Puerto Rican lesbian living in KY. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33855769.post-50664688549135933832012-10-18T16:18:10.037-07:002012-10-18T16:18:10.037-07:00I remember once when I went out a group of women w...I remember once when I went out a group of women were going up to the lesbian bar as I was going home. One asked if this was the "black" lesbian bar. I answered it was the lesbian bar. When they asked if blacks were welcome, I said anyone is welcome. The thing is I think most white LGBT people take for granted the fact that all LGBT people belong. We assume its understood when we come from small communities because we can't afford to care about race. Not to say there aren't those that do, but for the most part it's not an issue to us. But the black community's known too well that white people don't know what being black is and thinks they won't be welcome. <br /><br />If I ever saw a gay man or woman of color being denigrated or not given an equal place in our community anywhere I'd stand up for him. We are all apart of this no matter what makes us different. No matter what we have this one thing in common and that has to come first in acceptance. <br /><br />Aside from that, we need some people of color who are gay to become role models. Children like them shouldn't have to have an underground, it should be open. Erica Cooknoreply@blogger.com