Gay sex quote causes three-way feud between Porno Petey, the Liberty Counsel and Exodus International

From Wayne Besen and Truth Wins Out comes news of a possible feud brewing between Peter LaBarbera and the Liberty Counsel with Exodus International thrown in as a side diversion.

And wouldn't you know it? It's about lgbt sexual encounters The feud stems from a piece LaBarbera wrote for his group in an attempt to keep GOProud, a gay conservative group, from co-sponsoring the Conservative Political Action Conference:

From TruthWinsOut.org:

Porno Pete’s latest issue is ensuring a gay conservative group, GOProud can’t sponsor the annual CPAC conference. In his opposition, LaBarbera attributed a quote to Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber:

“What is conservatism?” asks Porno Pete. 

It boils down to this: there is nothing “conservative” about — as Barber inimitably puts it — “one man violently cramming his penis into another man’s lower intestine and calling it ‘love.’” Or two women awkwardly mimicking natural procreative relations or raising a child together in an intentionally fatherless home. This does not mean that people practicing those and other immoral (andchangeable) behaviors cannot think and act conservatively on other issues like lowering taxes, cutting government spending, ending abortion, etc. But let’s be honest: the “proud” in GOProud is not about pride in opposing the death tax, or defending the right to bear arms; it’s about proudly embracing sinful homosexual behavior – and that is hardly a conservative value.

But, as Besen notes, the Liberty Counsel responded, claiming that Barber never made such a statement:


“Neither Matt Barber nor anyone with Liberty Counsel wrote or made any such public statement that is being alleged in this blog. Liberty Counsel promotes the traditional family of one man and one woman because we believe that such relationships are best for society and for children. While we strongly disagree with the sexual politics and agenda of activist organizations and individuals, we also believe that each person is entitled to respect. While there are some that hate us because of our message of sexual integrity, redemption, change, and hope, we have never, and will never, confuse the person with the agenda. We have never sought to dehumanize people to promote our message. Our message is one of redemption through the power of Jesus Christ.”

The 'ex-gay' group Exodus International, which criticized the quote on its blog, posted this response. It led LaBarbera to post a response on the Exodus International blog where he had some choice words for Randy Thomas, executive vice president of the organization:

December 18, 2009 at 2:00 pm

This is Peter LaBarbera. The quotation in question by Matt Barber — a brutally honest and necessarily accurate description of homosexual sodomy — is printed verbatim and was made in conversation between the two of us years ago — long before he went to work for Liberty Counsel. I asked Matt at the time if I could quote him on it and he gave me permission to use it, and ultimately I did — in the context of showing how CPAC or any organization that defends sodomy (as GOProud and countless other GLBT organizations implicitly and explicitly do) cannot call itself “conservative.”

I presume and hope that what Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel meant to say was that Matt Barber’s quoted words were not uttered or published under the auspices of Liberty Counsel — as they were made several years ago in private conversation long before Matt came to work there.

Frankly, I am appalled at Randy’s “spiritualized” condemnation of Matt Barber’s phrase. Sorry, Randy, I disagree with your self-righteous take on Christ-like compassion. Philosophically, I believe that you are conflating behavior with a supposed “identity” — “sexual orientation”/”gayness” — found nowhere in the Bible. Sin is what we do in our fallen nature, not who we are. Is Tiger Woods’ serial infidelity part of his “core” identity? I think not. . . . Let me ask you, Randy: how would you accurately and honestly describe the act of sodomy, and are you opposed to forcefully condemning it?

But Thomas had some words of his own for LaBarbera:

December 18, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Peter, I have tried to dialog with you in person and via email in the past and it hasn’t cleared up anything before. You nod, say nice things and then go do something else that stigmatizes people who struggle with or embrace homosexuality. This time you wrote a hateful public quote attributed to someone else and contextualized it as a current reaction to the GOProud situation. We went through the direct and appropriate avenue to follow up with the person you alleged made this quote and got the above response. Do what you got to do Peter.

Needless to say that two continue to go at it, back and forth in a verbal tennis match which provided me with the best Christmas present I've received in a long time.

Personally, I'm almost siding with LaBarbera here. Barber has a history of making ugly and unnecessary comments in the "name of Christ."

Also, Barber's alleged comments fall in line with his statements a workshop during the religious conservative Take Back America conference held in September of this year:

. . . There was some small disagreement about how much people should rely on religious arguments in the public sphere, with Matt Barber urging people to focus on the “ick” factor around gay sex and on claims that homosexuality is a health threat, which he called the movment’s “Achilles heel.”

But in all honesty, I don't care.

LaBarbera and his silly group, Barber and the Liberty Counsel, and yes even Exodus International are all phonies. They all serve to stigmatize and villify the lgbt community whether be it through paying too much attention to how they think we have sex or hiding their lies and distortions behind a veneer of piety.

It's fun to watch how these phony Christians slice each other into little pieces.

UPDATE - Exodus International seems to have removed the entire post and the comments on it. No matter. It's still more proof of their phoniness.

UPDATE 2 - It's back up again.