The person who I talked about in my last post - who by the way is a member of the Truth4Time site - can't seem to take a hint. He didn't exactly appreciate me mocking him. Subsequently, he sent me a long post and dared me to publish it.
I will, with a few additions of my own. Now I have given the poor child the initials of LTP. Never mind why. LOL
I dare you Alvin to post my response... lets see if you are as open minded as you people say you are.
My friend - "Homophobe", "sad ignorant fool", subpar intelligence"..."nice" (sarcastic).. insults, typical of the responses from this kid of crowd... well, here is an education on facts:
First… there is no "gay gene".... if you are a homosexual you were not born one, you are made, a fact explained by geneticists like Dr. Neil E. Whitehead PhD in YouTube:
Type in the search box: [ Dr. Neil Whitehead answers, "Is there a gay gene?"]
Dr. Neil says that even after decades of looking:“ No statistical significant gene has been found, and they even looked at the whole human Geno…”
Another is large “Identical Twins Studies” in the Netherlands and Holland also prove homosexuality not to be genetic, since only less than 10% of the time if one identical twin is gay the other one is also gay, meaning 90% of the time if one is gay the other is not… in a situation were b-o-t-h beings (the twins) are genetically identical, and cooked in the mothers belly at the same time (under the same hormonal environment).
Even England's leading gay activist Peter Tatchell recently stated that: "Homosexuality isn’t natural. Ignore those researchers who claim to have discovered a ‘gay gene’, gay desire is not genetically determined". (Spiked, Tuesday 24, 2008).
My answer - First of all, my friend, you didn't give any information on Dr. Neil Whitehead. Whitehead is a member of the discredited group NARTH (National Organization for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality). No one in the scientific community takes that organization seriously because it pushes "reparative therapy" - the false notion that homosexuality is a condition which can be changed. According to Truth Wins Out:
NARTH relies on outdated studies and frequently confuses stereotypes with science. Dr. Nicolosi, for example, often tells audiences that people are gay because they have a rift with a same-sex parent or a have domineering opposite sex parent. It has been decades since any serious scientific body subscribed to these views and there is no contemporary research to uphold these anachronistic theories. Yet, NARTH’ co-founder Dr. Joseph Nicolosi repeats the empty mantra, “We advise fathers, if you don’t hug your sons, some other man will.”
. . . NARTH also has bizarre theories, such as encouraging male clients who drink Gatorade and call their friends “dude,” because this will supposedly make them more masculine. Dr. Nicolosi also espouses the bizarre idea that, “Non-homosexual men who experience defeat and failure may also experience homosexual fantasies or dreams.”
In 2006, NARTH had a meltdown after two major controversies. In the first, psychiatrist Joseph Berger, MD, a member of their “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a paper encouraging students to “ridicule” gender variant children. “I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex–but not counseling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings,” Dr. Berger wrote on NARTH’s website. “On the contrary, don’t interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world. Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary.”
In the second controversy, Gerald Schoenwolf, PhD, also a member of NARTH’s “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a polemic on the group’s website that seemed to justify slavery.
Two years ago, a member of NARTH's board, George Rekers, had to resign after being caught coming from a European vacation with a male escort.
But even without your citation of NARTH, your entire claim about a "gay gene" is merely a tactic for you to attempt to control the argument.
As far as I know, no gay equality group has ever pushed the notion of a gay gene. Also, no legitimate scientific body has ever said there was a gay gene, just like no scientific body ever said that there was a "heterosexual gene."
However, several legitimate medical bodies have all said that reparative therapy - the idea that homosexuality can be changed - is not necessarily a credible idea. According to the site Religious Tolerance:
Just the Facts Coalition -- a group of 13 professional associations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American Psychological Association, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers and National Education Association jointly issued a document in 1999 titled: "Just the facts about sexual orientation." The document was updated in 2008. They expressed concern about harassment of gay and lesbian youth, condemned reparative therapy as potentially harmful and of little or no effectiveness, and describe transformational ministries as representing only one part of Christianity -- those faith groups which view homosexuality as outside God's will, and incompatible with Christianity. They cite other denominations as supporting equal rights, and protection against discrimination, for gays and lesbians.
Homosexuality is a dysfunction, homosexuals are victims of a bad upbringing environment, and incorrect/dysfunctional upbringing, and the damage starts very, very, very early in childhood, in the early years that no one remembers, thus many of them saying “I have been homosexual as far as I can remember…” the sad reality is that you are victims!
My answer - Where is your proof of this? Your citations? You were so full of them when you spun the lie about the gay gene. I find it ironic that you cite absolutely NOTHING to prove this particular claim.
Homosexuality begins in the condition knows as Gender Identity Disorder, which later turns into full-blown homosexuality. Dr. Julie Harren explains in whatnatureintended.weebly.com, I did the research for two years, it is all there. “Homosexuality 101 - part 1, 2 , and 3 - Dr. Julie Harren”
My answer - Is that the same Dr. Julie Harren who is affiliated with NARTH (see above) and was elected President of the organization in 2007? Why yes it is.
Homosexuality has nothing to do with civil rights... there are plenty of ex-homosexuals who have reversed into been heterosexuals, but we ALL have yet to see a single Black American been an ex-Black American!
My answer - Please pardon my candor, but for someone who obsesses about gay men placing things up their rears (see my last post involving LTP's orginal letter), it seems that you have a significant amount of religious right hands up your bum. I say that to mean you are repeating their talking points like you are their puppet.
In regards to your claims about the amount of "ex-gays," a good friend of mine, Wayne Besen, suggested something that I would like to put to you. If there are as many "ex-gays" as folks like you claim exist, then why don't they all have a march in Washington for the world to see who they are. I mean really I hear about the "vast amount" of "ex-gays" from folks like yourself but I have seen more evidence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and the Yeti than evidence of all of these many "ex-gays" who are supposed to exist.
Also, let me put a new spin on you in regards to the African-American card you pulled. Back in the day, there were some African-Americans who were so light in complexion that they were able to pass as white. This gave them more freedom in a racist society, but more often than not, they paid the price by either discovery or their actual racial heritage or the realization that they are living a lie.
When I hear people talk about "there are no ex-Blacks" but plenty of "ex-gays," it is these African-Americans whom I think of.
LTP had some other stuff to say, mostly about him being an "ex-communist" and his supposed measured IQ of 132.
The first thing is something I don't give a crap about. The second thing is something I find hard to believe. But that's just me.
LTP, if you are reading this, I would suggest that before you call yourself gathering data, you research where said data comes from. And also, don't allow your personal biases to influence the data you receive.
No doubt you will want to answer me, but I also suggest that you first pick your face up from the ground.